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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://www.peelapom.com/wheel-of-the-year/chanukah/kashrus-wrestling/comment-page-1/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thought--

This has been working for me lately.  I am being rather successful at not eating sugar, wheat or dairy, which I AM allergic to. When I am at someone&#039; home and they offer me a forbidden homemade delight, I truthfully and enthusiastically join them in spirit and in their and other guests enjoyment of the delicacy.  I might refuse, but say something like, &quot;I don&#039;t do sugar (or whatever), but I&#039;m really enjoying your enjoyment of it&quot;,  and really mean it.  I feast and share it visually or olfactorilly (sp?).  This seems to work for me, primarily b/c I am wanting to honor my needs/choices but not set myself apart from the other person, or by default, cast judgement on their food choices.    With regard to Kashrus, perhaps you can join your hubby in spirit for a bacon-vodka martini!

Good luck!</description>
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<p>This has been working for me lately.  I am being rather successful at not eating sugar, wheat or dairy, which I AM allergic to. When I am at someone&#8217; home and they offer me a forbidden homemade delight, I truthfully and enthusiastically join them in spirit and in their and other guests enjoyment of the delicacy.  I might refuse, but say something like, &#8220;I don&#8217;t do sugar (or whatever), but I&#8217;m really enjoying your enjoyment of it&#8221;,  and really mean it.  I feast and share it visually or olfactorilly (sp?).  This seems to work for me, primarily b/c I am wanting to honor my needs/choices but not set myself apart from the other person, or by default, cast judgement on their food choices.    With regard to Kashrus, perhaps you can join your hubby in spirit for a bacon-vodka martini!</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://www.peelapom.com/wheel-of-the-year/chanukah/kashrus-wrestling/comment-page-1/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carly,

What a wonderful opportunity to wrestle!  Just curious, what is leading you to want to keep (more traditionally) Kosher? and how does that weigh against the &quot;I like it, its scrum-dili-icious?&quot; For me,  it&#039;s pretty easy to acknowledge my craving and then make a different choice,  but much more challenging to fly in the face of beloved family traditions.

Another thought,  perhaps pork is traif for you,  but it is not traif for your hubby, because he hasn&#039;t made the covenent.  One of the things I love about Judaism is the ingenuity of surmounting certain technical issues,  such as erecting an eruv.  Could you translate the eruv concept to your fridge/table,  either literally or metaphorically (e.g. have a non-kosher shelf,  or get a tiny fridge for non kosher items,  or have a special placemat which would be the only non-kosher part of your table?) ....just some thoughts.

Blessings,
jess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carly,</p>
<p>What a wonderful opportunity to wrestle!  Just curious, what is leading you to want to keep (more traditionally) Kosher? and how does that weigh against the &#8220;I like it, its scrum-dili-icious?&#8221; For me,  it&#8217;s pretty easy to acknowledge my craving and then make a different choice,  but much more challenging to fly in the face of beloved family traditions.</p>
<p>Another thought,  perhaps pork is traif for you,  but it is not traif for your hubby, because he hasn&#8217;t made the covenent.  One of the things I love about Judaism is the ingenuity of surmounting certain technical issues,  such as erecting an eruv.  Could you translate the eruv concept to your fridge/table,  either literally or metaphorically (e.g. have a non-kosher shelf,  or get a tiny fridge for non kosher items,  or have a special placemat which would be the only non-kosher part of your table?) &#8230;.just some thoughts.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
jess</p>
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		<title>By: Yeilah Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yeilah Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ketzirah-- thanks for sharing on what&#039;s going on for you in the kosher department.  As someone who misses crab a lot (I became kosher when I was 18) I relate to your struggle.  I do find my inner dialogue about kashrut is a source of spiritual growth and reflection.

I know lots of couples who differ in religious food practice, and while it can be a bit challenging, it certainly doesn&#039;t predict divorce as long as folks respect one another. Such couples don&#039;t need to define different food practices as &quot;moral&quot; or &quot;immoral.&quot;

Further, although we can theorize that kashrut was instituted to divide &quot;us&quot; and &quot;them&quot; (and indeed it serves that function for some) the Torah doesn&#039;t say that is its purpose.  Kashrut was probably instituted for multiple reasons, not all of which may be meaningful today.  Religious practice tends to survive if it has multiple purposes that appeal across time, not one xenophobic purpose.

Phil&#039;s comment was not appropriate, not to mention non-halakhic according to the Talmudic principle that one doesn&#039;t deliberately embarrass someone (not even on-line on a public blog).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ketzirah&#8211; thanks for sharing on what&#8217;s going on for you in the kosher department.  As someone who misses crab a lot (I became kosher when I was 18) I relate to your struggle.  I do find my inner dialogue about kashrut is a source of spiritual growth and reflection.</p>
<p>I know lots of couples who differ in religious food practice, and while it can be a bit challenging, it certainly doesn&#8217;t predict divorce as long as folks respect one another. Such couples don&#8217;t need to define different food practices as &#8220;moral&#8221; or &#8220;immoral.&#8221;</p>
<p>Further, although we can theorize that kashrut was instituted to divide &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;them&#8221; (and indeed it serves that function for some) the Torah doesn&#8217;t say that is its purpose.  Kashrut was probably instituted for multiple reasons, not all of which may be meaningful today.  Religious practice tends to survive if it has multiple purposes that appeal across time, not one xenophobic purpose.</p>
<p>Phil&#8217;s comment was not appropriate, not to mention non-halakhic according to the Talmudic principle that one doesn&#8217;t deliberately embarrass someone (not even on-line on a public blog).</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have similar problems in my practice, Carly. I deal with them in similar ways, too.

Keisha (my wife) practices a Norse path and sometimes eats pork to honor Frey -- which is about as often as I touch pork except for that occasional pizza. I try to eat mindfully and seek to eat as close to an eco-kosher ideal as I can, trying to reach closer to the mark.

Personally, I wish people would worry about what go into their own mouths before they start judging what goes into others. I&#039;m concerned with the intimacy between the divinity, myself and my ancestors. I really can&#039;t say I&#039;m that concerned with drawing a line between myself and non-Jews, even if some of my ancestors might have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have similar problems in my practice, Carly. I deal with them in similar ways, too.</p>
<p>Keisha (my wife) practices a Norse path and sometimes eats pork to honor Frey &#8212; which is about as often as I touch pork except for that occasional pizza. I try to eat mindfully and seek to eat as close to an eco-kosher ideal as I can, trying to reach closer to the mark.</p>
<p>Personally, I wish people would worry about what go into their own mouths before they start judging what goes into others. I&#8217;m concerned with the intimacy between the divinity, myself and my ancestors. I really can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m that concerned with drawing a line between myself and non-Jews, even if some of my ancestors might have.</p>
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		<title>By: Ketzirah Carly קצירה</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ketzirah Carly קצירה</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisha - that&#039;s too funny.  I had forgotten about that Maimonides quote! I wonder if bacon smells yummy to people who have never eaten it?

Phil -- I expect people to have some basic manners. Clearly I know about the history or Kosher laws.  I&#039;m just saying that you&#039;ve never left a comment on this site before and you kick it off my predicting doom for my marriage.

The post details the many ways the ways I am balancing my own spiritual needs with an interfaith marriage.  Once again, you&#039;re need for &quot;predictions&quot; is silly and thoroughly out of place with people you don&#039;t know.

I didn&#039;t call you an asshole -- I don&#039;t know you.  I called your comment asshole-like.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisha &#8211; that&#8217;s too funny.  I had forgotten about that Maimonides quote! I wonder if bacon smells yummy to people who have never eaten it?</p>
<p>Phil &#8212; I expect people to have some basic manners. Clearly I know about the history or Kosher laws.  I&#8217;m just saying that you&#8217;ve never left a comment on this site before and you kick it off my predicting doom for my marriage.</p>
<p>The post details the many ways the ways I am balancing my own spiritual needs with an interfaith marriage.  Once again, you&#8217;re need for &#8220;predictions&#8221; is silly and thoroughly out of place with people you don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t call you an asshole &#8212; I don&#8217;t know you.  I called your comment asshole-like.  <img src='http://www.peelapom.com/wordpress_fck00f/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Phil Stanhope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Stanhope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand corrected about the &quot;kosher home&quot; comment, but this comment -- &quot;more traditional kosher path&quot;  -- certainly suggests that you are headed that way.

True, I don&#039;t know you. But you put intimate details (and food *is* intimate) on the Web for all the world, so what do you expect?

And on the theme of intimacy and food-sharing, if one partner begins to feel that his/her dietary choices are viewed as less moral by the other partner, then I predict a loss of intimacy in the relationship.

Kosher laws, after all, were first and foremost about drawing a bright line between Us and Them, even before there was such an abstraction as &quot;Judaism.&quot;  Check Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman&#039;s archaeological book, THE BIBLE UNEARTHED, to see just how far back the avoidance of pork goes in the archaeological record.

Phil &quot;insane asshole&quot; Stanhope</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected about the &#8220;kosher home&#8221; comment, but this comment &#8212; &#8220;more traditional kosher path&#8221;  &#8212; certainly suggests that you are headed that way.</p>
<p>True, I don&#8217;t know you. But you put intimate details (and food *is* intimate) on the Web for all the world, so what do you expect?</p>
<p>And on the theme of intimacy and food-sharing, if one partner begins to feel that his/her dietary choices are viewed as less moral by the other partner, then I predict a loss of intimacy in the relationship.</p>
<p>Kosher laws, after all, were first and foremost about drawing a bright line between Us and Them, even before there was such an abstraction as &#8220;Judaism.&#8221;  Check Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman&#8217;s archaeological book, THE BIBLE UNEARTHED, to see just how far back the avoidance of pork goes in the archaeological record.</p>
<p>Phil &#8220;insane asshole&#8221; Stanhope</p>
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		<title>By: Lisha Sterling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisha Sterling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of a quote from Maimonides where he says that when you are with non-Jews and you are put in a position where you have to deny a non-kosher food that you are offered, you shouldn&#039;t cover up your religious observance by saying that you are allergic or that you don&#039;t like the food. You should say instead that the food is quite delicious but G-d doesn&#039;t want you to eat it.

Every time this quote has come up in study someone in the group has asked, &quot;And how would HE know that pork is delicious?!&quot; :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a quote from Maimonides where he says that when you are with non-Jews and you are put in a position where you have to deny a non-kosher food that you are offered, you shouldn&#8217;t cover up your religious observance by saying that you are allergic or that you don&#8217;t like the food. You should say instead that the food is quite delicious but G-d doesn&#8217;t want you to eat it.</p>
<p>Every time this quote has come up in study someone in the group has asked, &#8220;And how would HE know that pork is delicious?!&#8221; <img src='http://www.peelapom.com/wordpress_fck00f/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ketzirah Carly קצירה</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ketzirah Carly קצירה</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.  I was going to just delete your insanely asshole-like comment, but decided to leave it and respond. You don&#039;t know me.  You don&#039;t know my husband.  You&#039;ve never spoken to me before, and yet you deem to pass judgment on my marriage.

I never said I need to keep a kosher home.  If you read the post, you&#039;d see that I said I feel called to follow more traditional kosher and am NOT keeping a kosher home - by my own choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.  I was going to just delete your insanely asshole-like comment, but decided to leave it and respond. You don&#8217;t know me.  You don&#8217;t know my husband.  You&#8217;ve never spoken to me before, and yet you deem to pass judgment on my marriage.</p>
<p>I never said I need to keep a kosher home.  If you read the post, you&#8217;d see that I said I feel called to follow more traditional kosher and am NOT keeping a kosher home &#8211; by my own choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Stanhope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Stanhope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Husband cures own bacon. You suddenly think that you have to keep a kosher home. I predict divorce.</description>
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